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The translations of the show are ready and I would like to say BIG thank to our Russian friends who made this effort for us. Thank you very much.


part 1 /translator Dar'ya Belokryltseva/

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Part1
Presenter: good day to everyone, this is our program ”For domestic reasons”. It is said that paradise on earth can be gained through three ways – embraced by the beautiful woman, talking with the wise ones and riding a horse. But all these pleasures require some certain effort to be made. To conquer the heart of juices one must work hard, to be able to understand wisdom one must learn to read and think, but to be able to ride the horse it is believed that just to have bridle and whip is enough. Is it really true?
I would like to introduce to you – Olga Dodonova.
00:54
Woman’s voice: Olga Dodonova was born in St Petersburgh. When she was 12 she entered the horse riding club and since that time she doesn’t part with horses. In 1998 she became a champion among the juniors, and in 2005 she became the champion of dressage in Russia. She cannot imagine her life without horses.
Presenter: Hi, Olga!
01:25
Presenter: Olga, let’s recall from the very beginning – where did your horse riding sport started? Did you loved horses so much or was that parents who just brought you there instead of figure skating club or something else?
Olga: I guess it all started with my love to animals. It was just an occasion that I’ve entered that horse riding club. Actually I haven’t planned this.
Presenter: have you been afraid to mount a horse for the first time? What have you felt?
Olga: no there have been no fear. That was just admiration I felt to this beautiful animal, and love.
02:13
Presenter: Can you recall the name of that first horse?
Olga: Her name was Verhovina.
Presenters: and how many horses did you have in your life?
Olga: um, well.. I think that it was 20-30 horses I’ve been riding.
Presenter: So you became the famous sportsman, you’ve got all the medals and so on, and what’s happening to horses? Where are they now?
Olga: so to say… many horses live in our stable till they are old (sincerely. I don’t know what Olga means by saying that though I’m Russian and thought I’m quite capable of understanding most things said in Russian!) and than we find a good owner for our horses.
Presenter: what does it mean – the good owner?
Olga: well it’s when the horse will be looked upon, and it’ll have the roof upon her head and will be fed up properly.
02:59
Presenter: what’s the average life-time of horse in sport?
Olga: it’s up to 17-20 years
Presenter: and when does it retire on a pension?
Olga: it depends.. but I can say that when it is 17 or 20 (and once again I can’t understand the statement )
Presenter: um.. Ok, we can thank the Olga (applause) and continue.

Presenter: in ancient times men can not survive without horses. But now we have only one national flag where green field and the wheel are placed (presenter means the flag of gypsy). I would like to introduce to you Nikolay Ivanov.
Woman’s voice: Nikolai ivanov was born in St Petersburg region. When he was 15 he bought his first horse, when he was 17 he organized the trotter’s race. Nov Nikolai Ivanow owns the stable with 25 trotters. He says that one who loves horses can’t be the bad man.
03:57
Presenter: good day, Nikolai. In one of your interviews you’ve told the legend of why had God created the horse, couldn’t you repeat it now?
Nikolai: God had created horse for men. He said – South wind, now you became the body, and lead all the people to friendship and understanding and give them ability to move on big distance
Presenter: Um, well.. and what is your main occupation now, what’s its name?
Nikolai: I’m a rider… rider and trainer.
Presenter: couldn’t you tell us about the trotter’s races, how they are held?
Nikolai: it’s professional sport and it is held on the hippodromes. There are many prizes you can win, in Moscow also in other cities, in Kazan’, there are many hippodromes everywhere, except the St Petersburg.
Presenter: I know that first rsces was held actually in St Pertersburgh region over a 30 years ago (I don’t know what he’s talking about, trot races in Russia are MUCH older I can say..)
Nikolai: ah, we have had two hippodromes, one for the flat race, one for trot race, the latter was near the Baltiiski railway station. Um, I must say – flat races it’s when one mounts a horse, and trot races when you harness it.
Presenter: and how would you say, what are horses for you now, what or whom they are?
Nikolay: they are ”who” for me, not ”what”.
Presenter: is it a partner for you or someone who depends on you
Nikolai: it’s a partner, a friend, who feels and understand me so good. In professional sport you can’t do nothing if you haven’t gain that understanding, if you are not coordinated.



Part 2 (translator - Victoria Shestakova)
Presenter: Dear friends, here is a quote: ”Through all your efforts it is very difficult to find a topic which would be so impregnated by lie, rather than mutual relations of human and a horse. What people lie about and what cannot say a horse we shall ask the author of these words - Alexander Nevzorov.

Off-camera spokesperson: Author of the book "Horses Encyclopedia" and one-nominal film. Master and founder of the first in Russia Haute Ecole School where education of a horse is made without any violence, bits, bridles, without any punishments. He has thousands of admirers in the horse world and thousands ofhaters. It approves and proves, that equestrian sport, show-jumping and racings are refined mockery on cruelty, incompatible with concept ”human”. The person who has turned representation about a horse in Russia, Alexander Nevzorov!
Applause. Alexander enters.
Presenter: - Good afternoon Alexander, I think you saw how you were presented, you heard what we spoke about. You can choose where to sit.
Alexander: - I would gladly choose where to sit, but while we were hanging out behind the scenes, this delightful person in a white leather suit, Kolya, said that he would give away much to be on one sofa with such woman as Olga.
Presenter: So…
Alexander: I don’t know what he meant… Is that true? (Addresses to Kolya)
Kolya: Yes, it is.
Alexander: Perhaps this is farm or culinary talkshow. I kipped an apple to facilitate this problem… (addressing to Kolya), I will get you into a place.
Presenter: Alright. Thanks. Does that mean that none of the positions is good enough with you?
Alexander: I have simply connected loving hearts.
Presenter: Oh, My God. Thanks Alexander Nevzorov! Well and now so: what do people lie about concerning horses?
Alexander: Well, first of all, if we speak about equestrian sports, let’s come to terms at once about a normal terminological correctness, okay? When we speak about equestrian sport, what do we speak first of all about? We speak about a certain entertainment. It is an entertainment nowadays. It is an entertainment which can be or can not be. Because nothing will change because of it, and when we speak about an entertainment, about the entertainment we created for ourselves, naturally, should start with certain moral positions, what this entertainment means for the essence that serves as a toolkit for this entertainment, right? While equestrian sport in any way can’t be considered as sport. What is sport?
Sport is records, victories, overcomings, it is sweat, it is blood…
Presenter: But here it is the same…
Alexander: Wait, wait a sec. Sport is a proof of unusual abilities of spirit and body. And here equestrian sport is after all parasitization in its pure form on physical opportunities of another essence, which is absolutely not consent to go in for sports and forced to it with a pain and beatings. Is this sport?
Presenter: Well, but partnership between a horse and human has been developing for centuries, if I’m not mistaken in your book is said about 30 centuries of this partnership, and if it has developed in such a way this all is probably not by chance. What can we change?
Alexander: Firstly, we can change much. Secondly, it has never been partnership. It has always been (and this will be confirmed by everyone: Nikolay, if he takes a chance to tell the truth, and Olga if she takes a chance to tell the truth) painful constraint, severe painful constraint with the help of special devices, which has always underlied so-called attitudes of a human and horse.
Presenter: So, well, let’s ask Olga. (addresses to Olga) Do you agree with what Alexander says?
Olga: No, I do not agree, absolutely.
Presenter: I.e. these sports do not mean cruel treatment?
Olga: High level of sport never means cruel treatment. You should be absolutely equal partners, both, you and your horse. Otherwise you will never have good results.
Presenter: Well… (addresses to Alexander)
Alexander: I think this is a large embellishment and I would say some king of – Olya, don’t be aggrieved – absolute ignorance.
There is such a quantity of veterinary, scientific hippological information which absolutely unequivocally proves that everything that is done in sports is done only with influence of pain. That if it was not so there probably wouldn’t be rules of the FEA about mouthpieces, spurs, bits. In fact if they take out from your sports a painful component (Kolya, do not smile so gladly! I am reffering to you too, gentleman in white leather suit.), sports will not survive.
Olga: I do not agree about a painful component.
Alexander: Olga, ignorance is a good thing, but it can’t be an argument!
Olga: It is not ignorance!
Alexander: You can’t deny a simple fact, that putting in a mouth of a horse iron toolkits, you put it for its pleasure.
Olga: Well, as to the bits, may I answer (addresses to the leader)?
Presenter: Well, may I as to a dilettante talk to Olga a bit? Thank you, Alexander. Applause for his anyway not indifferent attitude.

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Part 3 (translator Darya Belokryltseva)

Presenter: Are there some regulations about all the gear in equestrian sport, its constituent parts, size and material?

Olga: Yeah, there are rules of equestrian sport, which regulate the gear and bits. There is special steward on every competition who checks the type of bit and no bit that is under the rules can be allowed. You can’t use it during the competition or you’ll be disqualified.

Presenter: But Nevzorov believes that there must be no bits used whatever. Have you ever tried to do something – I just don’t know how it’s called - on your horse without the bit?

(00:40)Olga: I’ve rode without the bit using just the halter, it was very interesting for me. But I think that it’s appropriate only when there is only one horse in the riding-hall. If there are few horses there, I have to remember that fact that horse is still an animal. If it wants to communicate with other horses – I don’t think it’s possible to control it without the bit. It’s the same thing with the dogs- sometimes you can’t take it for a walk without a collar and a lead.

(01:05) Alexander: I’ve been talking not only about the bit but generally about straps and ropes of all sorts. Olga says that it is impossible. Olga, please tell me – do you speak Chinese?

Olga: No


Alexander: So you can freely admit that it is no Chinese language at all?

Olga: No, I don’t mean that, but what I want t o say it’s..

Alexander: It’s just the thing that you can’t do.

Olga: Wait a minute, you have your own riding hall and you can work there with one horse at a time.

Presenter: Nikolai, please help your colleague!

(01:32)Nikolai: Bit serves for the mutual feeling of horse and a man. The pressure that goes through fingers it’s not that big, but it allows horse to feel. You can’t just say to the horse that one or other thing is allowed or not, you have to do it that way.

Presenter: Which tools do you use to control the horse during the race?

Nikolai: Just a simple bit.

Presenter: how can you make the horse win?

(02:01)Nikolai: If horse hadn’t been trained properly it can’t win even if it run freely. For the training and for performance one must have what is called ”the feeling of the horse” (I know there is an expression ”horse sence” but in russian that same expression means only the ability of a man to feel the movements and mood of the horse. so I’m not using the ”horse sense” expression knowing it has meaning of ”good common sence”… ) . And you can’t feel the horse otherwise than through the bit and reins.

Presenter: So now you win the races – and what horse gets from this? Do you congratulate the horse – it’s its victory, not yours.

(02:27)Nikolai: I think that horse feels it when it wins. When it’s been leaded walking the lap of honor in the winner’s horsecloth. Horses understand and feel everything. Nevzorov himself tells so.

Alexander: Absolutely nonsense! Horses do not engage in sports!

Olga: What I can say is that horses can feel (incredible news, heh)

(02:38 Alexander: Completely rot. Do you understand what equestrian sport is? It’s just a set of serious or not so serious damages. It’s damage done to the muscles, it’s problems with locomotor’s system. It’s just injures that horse gets one after another, and correspondingly the discomfort. You can’t find the sane living creature that would agree to feel the discomfort and gain pleasure in such a way. It’s just the law of nature. I can say that all the sports, races and trotter’s races have strong pain in all the nerves of the horse’s head in its core. People can work with ”kitchenaid” horses not only in personal riding halls. Handicapped ones can work with kitchenaid horses on the big exhibition where are thousands of peoples and horses, where are lots of loud sounds. As for the cinema – when in some scenes there are 5, 6, 8 kitchenaid horses – and it’s a battle scene. When it comes to sport, it’s just the sort of fun that use rough and primitive methods that had been invented in the Bronze Age.

(04:05) Presenter: I’m just trying to understand. I’ve seen your film, I’ve read your book… What is the source of your attitude to the horses? I remember the phrase as ”I’m not so interested in people as I’m interested in horses’

(04:24)Alexander: that’s right. Let everyone fry his own eggs, and my ”eggs” are horses. In this tandem of horse and man, man fill the disgraceful place because of his truly dishonest actions.

(04:41)Presenter: Maybe it could be useful to offer some solution to the Federation of Equestrian Sports of Russia? About some parallel competitions or something..

(04:49)Alexander: And can you explain to Korean people that they shouldn’t eat dogs? You can’t explain that they mustn’t eat the dogs who have such understanding eyes, her friendship, her pride and honor. And you can’t explain to Nikolai that one mustn’t engage in trotters’ races.
(notes in brackets are mine, just comments of the translator)




Part 4. /translator -Olesya Byakova/

Presenter: Now I wanna watch screens from the film. To be honest, I was shocked by what I’ve seen. I’ve never thought before that horses are beaten so fiercely. Let’s watch it together.

”The film”

Presenter.: That’s the film. Now Let’s give a word to Lidia Nevzorova, the professional ippologist, the disciple of professor Shtrasser and Doctor cook, specialist of computer termography. Greetings, please. Lidia, good evening. Can you please tell us what traumas horses get. What I’ve seen now is awful. But can it be divided into separate groups?

Lydia: Easily. Actually I’m shocked how people can so plainly lie, because they can not help but knowing this or understanding what’s going on. Alexander Glebovich told for so many times, that everything is shown on TV, there are lots of veterinary books according to them 99% of horses have micro fractures of jaw caused by bits. And this is true, postmortem shows it. None of the veterinaries can deny it, they only confirm. There are nose bleedings. The man in white tells us how beautiful horses race, and everything is perfect, very good – partnership. But almost every horse suffers enormous pain caused by nose bleeding, lungs bleeding, when lungs are not able to cope with such training. The total ignorance of all sportsmen hits the records, so to tell. Can anyone sitting on the sofa answer the question? For example, how many vertebras in lumbar spine?

Presenter.: Thanks to God, I don’t need to answer this question. Olga, can you answer the question?

Olga: I’m not veterinarian, I have another specialization.

Lydia: And what about you?

Nikolai: the same.

Lydia: So, lumbarsacral junction is the part of the horse body that suffers mostly. Why their horses are invalids? Actually, because of ignorance. They can not understand and can not define when a horse feels the pain and suffers. The thing is that veterinarians play very interesting role, all horses are given drugs to hide lameness, and many other illnesses and their signs. Every horse has at least 10 chronicle illnesses that make a horse unable to do not only sport but any other training. But they are forced to race, jump, trot and etc.

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Part 5 /Traslator - Olesya Biyakova/

Presenter: Olga, do you make use of doping for your horse before competition?
Olga: Rumors of our horses being unhappy are much exaggerated. And I don’t use drugs for my horses.
Lydia: They are no that much exaggerated. Being a specialist I can prove it. I’ve sent thermographic pictures of sport horses to the American specialist, the most competent one. According to him, those horses are not able to endure any physical training. You’re telling about the horse’s health without even knowing how many lumbo-sacral vertebras the spine has.
Presenter: Ok, but Olga came to sport when all these rules had already existed. So she just follows the rules. What can we change? What can we oppose to them?
Lydia: I think Alexander Nevzorov has already shown what can be done.
Alexander: Stop. First of all, we don’t repress Olga. Of course, she follows the rules. But – sorry, may I interrupt you? Otherwise I’ll forget it – I would like to point out one thing. As Olga said, there is no violence in sport. Olga, my friend, don’t you know a madam named Van Grusven?
Olga: I can say that violence is probably….
Alexander: Stop. Do you know madam Van Grunsven? Anky?
Olga: Yes.
Alexander: Yes. Do you know that Europe and the whole world including the States are shaked by the scandal hit by the sadistic methods, rollkur, the Olympic champion uses? This – is the very sport elite.
Olga: I can say, this is an exception. Basically such a method can not be used.
Alexander: Stop. Recently in you sport horse club an accident took place. I don’t know, maybe someone knows, recently there was an accident there. So let’s go down from Olympic champion Anky Van Grunsven (degreed sadist, as veterinary Europe found out) to our local reality.
Nika: Nika Petrova, member of Horse Revolution organization. Weeks ago, last Saturday, if I’m not mistaken, in your sport club show-jumping events under the federal sport organization were hold. A young woman, Obuhova Arsenija, was not allowed to take part in the competition. After that she walked off the ground and unmercifully had been beating her horse for 20 minutes. After a while cries attracted people even police came and drew up a protocol. Unfortunately, the protocol was drown up only because while beating her horse she made a strike at her coach.
Presenter: But still the federation doesn’t allow such people.
Nika: No, that steak was not allowed before the competition just because of the bad preparations, her horse reared up and didn’t finish the route.
Dmitry: Dmitry Dubatovka, evacuation by road of technical kinds of sport. In my work I often see such a phenomenon as ”lowering bar” after a start. A person grinds down his sport tool up to the last piece of iron. And this sport tool often can’t last such pressure. What can you say about this concerning equestrian sport?
Presenter: Thank you for your question, this was probably addressed to Olga.
Olga: Lowering bar? I am not acquainted with it.
Presenter: Nicholay, why do you keep silence? Do you have nothing to say?
Nicholay: I have a lot to say, but I can not insert a word into such a conversation. Before any competition all trotters are examined by the doctors.
Presenter: And use drugs?
Nicholay: No drugs at all. Before any competition a horse undergoes doping control. You should understand this, what are you talking about? Moreover, dear Lydia, where have you seen nosebleed of my horses?
Lydia: You can not see this type of bleeding, it is bronchial hemorrhage. So to see it, you should be very qualified specialist. (laugher)
Nicholay: Do you know, I guess you do, when it happens? It is a result of being unprepared to competitions.
Lydia: Yes, I know.
Nicholay: So it happens because of overstrain. It never happens to our horses.
Lydia: Yes, of course. (laughs)
Presenter: Nicholay. Does a horse have passion for sport?
Nicholay: Yes, of course, the very big passion. Sometimes it is bigger than human’s passion. Sometimes you want to pull up, but a horse doesn’t want to slow down.
Lydia: Can you tell then what do you do to pull up a horse?
Nicholay: (smiling) So, ok, I use bits.
Lydia: Bits, right.
Presenter: And bits are the most terrible tool.
Lydia: Firstly they speed up a horse with whips, excite it and then pull up with a bit.
Olga: Can you tell me please, if you have a dog, will you lead it with the help of collar?
Lydia: What's that got to do with it?
Olga: Why do you tell then, that to stop a dog you can use a collar, and to stop a horse you can not use bits?
Lydia: Because bits cause the immense pain in the horse’s mouth.
Olga: No. Never.
Lydia: If you were a cilantro more literate, you would know that trigeminus becomes almost destroyed after the bit usage.
Olga: I’m quiet a literate to know that gentle hands will never cause a deliberate pain.
Lydia: Do you know why roller, a professional disease, occurs? The thing is that everything is triggered by the ignorance. They know absolutely nothing about the horses. Why a man wishing to cure teeth is not allowed to be a dentist without special education? Why then we allow people who know nothing about anatomy, physiology be with horses? And having nothing of a prove they say a horse doesn’t suffer. They have no evidence of it, they just tell and some people even listen to them. That’s the question.

Part 6. /translator - Olesya Rodina/
Nickolay (a horceracer): Everybody should know his/her place. For example, you are good in something, you are a vet. I do not kibitz to your area because I know that I do not know…

Lydia: But me.. I kibitz, because I do not want you to abuse horses…

Nickolay: …because you do not know my area… you do not know what is ”horses training”…

Lydia: I know. I am a hippologist. I am not a vet. It is not the same.

Nickolay: Look here, it is the same like in Olga’s situation… How can you know if you have never
performed yourself?

Lydia: My friend, I will never perform…

Nickolay: Can you understand that if you took part in competitions yourself, if you experienced this…school from the beginning to the end, then you would have a right to say: ”yes, we hurt horses.” What Alexander is doing and what you are doing, this, you know, this hardly can do someone else. That’s right, his horses follow him like dogs, so this person is talented!

Showman (a question to Alexander): By the way, how do you manage to do this?

(Alexander N.): There is no any special talent. This is only a demonstration that I am a normal human. I only do not beat, I only do not break horse’s mouth, I merely don’t use bits, that… Olga, it is useless…to argue about this.

Olga: Alexander Glebovich, I used to ride…

(Alexander N.):…there are many nerve centres in horse’s head and what you do is…
I am not talking about ”riding”. I am talking about education of a horse initially, without any bits.

Showman: Well, let’s go ahead. Here is a specialist of horseracing, who presented his lecture about special devices (we’ve been discussing for the last thirty minutes) in the First Hippological Russian seminar. Let us greet Sergey Sumbaev.
Good evening, Sergey. Sergey, I would like to hear directly from you those facts and figures, that will reflect full gamma of feelings what does a rider feel to his horse.

(Sergey S.): O’kay, let us start from the beginning. We will analyze simple statistics as for this group of people – people who deal with horseracing. In France, for example, testing took place.
The results showed that 12 % of horse racers can not read…simply can not read. Hereafter, 90% of horse racers are chronic alcoholics. There is even in their rules written and is repeated for several times that it is not allowed to drink alcohol during competitions.
Further, let’s move to the devises that are using in horseracing. Horse’s natural allure is to be broken. All these gossips that there are genetically created and checked horses who can not run gallop but only trot – that is not true. Horses permanently feel huge discomfort from this artificial, so-called ”additional” trot. That is why not to let a horse to ”make a mistake” – galloping, they use special devices, in particular, the most popular, overcheck rein. So, they put
to horse’s mouth not only usual bit but one more piece of metal, which is not connected with rider’s hands, - this piece of metal is hardwired to a truck…

(Nickolay) (cunningly): Do you know why it should be used?

(Sergey S.): Yes. It should not let to a horse to lower its head.

(Nickolay): Right…

((applause))

(Alexander N.) (a question to Nickolay): Do you know why gas should be let into the gas chamber?

(Nickolay): We know…

(Sergey S.): In such a way (when a horse can not put her head down), creating an artificial balance with an aim not to let her canter, and to force her run this artificial trot. Therefore, what could a horse feel when with every step (anyway, naturally a horse is trying to lower her head with every step), a thin metal stick is wimbling into her upper roof. If the best happened. At the worst – it is Davis check that has a bend which is just bursting an upper roof.
Then more statistics… 90% of ”trotters” after horseracing have open or hidden bleeding (issue of blood). Lungs bleeding or often bleeding just because of breakage of mouth, roof, tongue.

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Part 7. Translator: Olesya Rodina

Showman: So, let’s change a topic a cilantro bit because everything is too gloomy. Olga, I understand everything. Probably, this topic is not the place of abstract humanism and we must realize that sport is just a show. Hardly people come and pay to see grazing horses on the stadium. They even will not visit this kind of show for delicious. But there should be an exit from the situation.

Olga: I don’t think we should look for any ”exit”. The thing is zebras are grazing too but it is not interesting to people. And those gossips about very bad life of horses in eq.sport are overdone too much. The thing is that horses in sport have nice stables, have special staff, have massages…
There are many stables which are equipped with solariums, swimming pools, showers…

Showman: And the staff… Are you talking about those 12% of whom can not read?

Olga: Well, I don’t know, I have not made any research of statistics and I don’t think so. It’s my private opinion. Staff are those people who serve horses as vets, stablemen, drivers who move horses to events and so on… That’s why horse’s life in sport is not so bad.

Lydia: Olga, can I ask you a question?
What are dimensions of the loose box where your horse stays in? Where she is so happy in the stable?

Olga: 3x3 meters.

Showman: What is a loose box?

Lydia: A loose box is an accommodation where a horse stays for 23 hours a day. One hour it has to be double fried on the ground with a bit, and after that they put a horse to an accommodation which has such dimensions as a bed has.

Olga: They do not abuse a horse. A horse is taking to the training and…it is training.

Showman: Well, clear… Thanks.
Lydia, but 3x3 meters is it not enough?

Lydia: But can you imagine? To spend whole your life on the territory which has such dimensions as a bed has? Moreover, they do a toilet there, make all their natural necessities and it is cleaned very seldom. The smell in their stable is just horrible. And all sport horses live there in such a way and sportsmen keep their in such a way. At the same time sportsmen are talking about ”good” stabling but when we come and see, it is horrible.

Alexander: By the way, 3x3 are standard dimensions of a loose box for a pony. Normal horse should have 4,7x4,7 meters. Olga, as for good ”stabling” and as for ”happy” life of horses…
With all your good attitude, you stable your horse in Koltushi, knowing about those fungus, about those huge quantity of ugliness, bad smells… Knowing that all horses there have eczemas, greases, dermatitis; that there is just a graveyard…You are speaking knowing about all this…

Olga: Alexander Glebovich, not everybody can let himself to have a private house with a stable and a manege.

Alexander: Well, just a second… I agree with you. That’s right. Me too, I can not let myself to have many things but I don’t let it to myself then. So if you can not guarantee a normal life to your horse, why have you put yourself to this dirt?

Showman: Thank you, Alexander. We have a retort from a viewer. Please…

A boy: I don’t agree with you. Because horses, in principle, were created by God for human and riding, as this man in a white suit said. Horses were created for this. There is a special place in a horse’s mouth where a bit should be put. Otherwise, there should not be such a place. And don’t waste your time: equestrian sport is a huge and profitable business and I don’t think you will be able to do something.

Alexander: Dear man, do you know that they break out teeth to horses, so-called
first premolars, not to ruin them by a bit?

A boy: Why they need to do this?

Olga: I have never heard about this…

Alexander: Every ”sport-horse”. Every ”sport-horse” which ”works” with a bit should get through this procedure of removing of first premolars.

Showman: Is this needed to put a bit in a suitable way?

Alexander: No. Premolars are very fragile, delicate and they could be broken by a bit easily.
Actually, it is funny to talk about this ”special place” in horse’s mouth… There was a one German division general of SS who was in charge of the clean-up in Belorussia. So he confirmed that Belorussian people had ”special” necks that were created specially for hanging…
A ”special” construction of a neck to hang a person in the most comfortable way.

Showman: Well, I should make this discussion much more constructive.
We invited a journalist – Alexander Gorelick. Let’s meet him!
Alexander, you are a journalist. What’s your opinion?
The journalist: I can see here is a problem, obviously. But I’d like to make a step to a history a cilantro bit. Eq. sport as any other kind of sport was born because of some life-needs. Horses began to perform relatively recently. They worked in the field before, carried heavy things, people used them during the war and horses were forced to go under swords, pikes, spears of enemy.
And in those times and circumstances nobody asked horses if they wanted to do all that. And people used pain. Nowadays horses are just entertainment, really, entertainment.

Showman: Does a civilized modern and happy human who has everything, have a right to hurt other creation in the name his own entertainment?

The journalist: No, he does not have this right. We want to live in the modern society. We live in such a time when we have a possibility to reach our goals, but, I guess, with the help of another means.

Showman: Thank you, Alexander Gorelick.
I know Olga’s Dadonova friend is here. I’d like you to support Olga. What can you tell us?

Olga’s friend: Yes, I am Meretskaya Irina. I am a master of sport. I’ve been doing dressage for 23 years. Olga and me, we have been friends since our childhood. I have seen many examples in my life. There were also many cruel examples. But the one thing I can tell now that we are talking about two different things here. So the thing is that Alexander Glebovich does (we all respect him and even bow to him) – this is just totally another thing! But we – we do dressage.
Dressage is a sport. We can not change it. We can not close it. Many millions of people do this in the world. It is really Olympic sport! And I can not agree, any way! It is not possible without bits. It will not be sport then! It will be really another kind of relationship with horses.




Part 8 (translator - Darya Belokryltseva)

Presenter:
And now I would like to draw your attention to the screen. I think here applause is appropriate, as for me I’ve never seen anything like this. Alexander, how you do that? Is it possible without any bridles, without forcing?

Alexander: It’s not difficult al all if we’re talking seriously. You simply have to reject that silly stereotype that horse is a tool of some sort, an instrument to gaining sport results. Horses never do sports. And I believe that in 50 years we will think about the horse riding sport with that same feeling of bewilderment and shock as we think now about the concentration camps and slave-trade. Slave-trade was a normal business once. And it’s absolutely useless to talk about absurdity and criminality of slave-trade with one who make money out of it. You have to talk with people who differ. My methods are not secret ones. It’s just normal methods. When someone come to me to learn, for one year I ban the horse-mounting. Why? Because I need to understand what exactly this man love. Does he love horse or does he love his own feelings while being mounted on horse? Adrenaline, the feeling of flight, speed. Someone loves his own feelings or loves the ”beauty” of racing trotters… So to say, there were people who’ve seen some special beauty in the smoke curls above the crematorium. To talk about beauty and fun that costs pain and suffer of living creature – it’s just shameless.

Presenter:
A cilantro bit too gloomy metaphor. About your horses – can they perform in same competitions where Olga’s horses do?

Alexander:
I don’t know I just think that for me it is absolutely inappropriate. All the activities that are connected with sport, - that’s just not for me to be there. For me ”sport” and ”dumb sadism” are equal.

Presenter
I see. Olga, what can you say – do you think Alexander’s horses are capable of performing in competitions where you take part, on the same level?

Olga
No, they can’t.

Presenter
Why?

Olga
It’s totally different things, it’s not a sport.

Alexander:
Wait a cilantro, I want to explain... Olga, imagine a man. A sportsman. In his T-short and satin shorts. Big ones. He can jump 1.80 m. He can jump it on his own, right? And if he’s under current rush? Will he jump 3 m? Actually you and I speak about one same thing. You are trying to play ”Haute Ecole” game. You think that you’ve inherited all the achievements and elements of 16 an 17 century. But listen, it’s interesting for you – try to understand me and what we do. You are doing some element and there is always the pain component in it. Pain constituent. Haven’t you ever been interested in taking off that pain caused by trigeminal chain, the bit and to see how would horse offer that same element to you? AS for that question of my horses and can they take part in sport or not. Why not? There is Jean Marquen Brek, who does all your ”Big Prize” which consist of no difficult elements, on totally ”kitchenaid” horse. There is Lurashi, Delgado There are many people who’ve already turned everything upside down and proved that it’s possible and all you need is just feel disgust to necessity of torture.

Presenter:
For the last 10 minutes I want to draw an analogy – once the gladiator’s fights were legal and competitions gathered full stadiums. Now this ”sport” is prohibited, as dog fights are. May be we are just not ready now to change the view on horse sport?

Alexander: No, it all still exist. I’m not talking about ones who are present, not about Olga not about Nikolai. I think they are rather under the circumstances. They’ve been drawn into this system, they’ve been taught to follow these rules and not shown others. In horse riding sport there are only 1% of real sadists. All the others just don’t know what they’re doing. That’s why I say that to only one who is fantastically not feeling the horse can do riding sport, because to become a champion you have to do rollkur – I think Olga knows what I’m saying. All the other people do not become champions or do not enter the big sports because they are not sadistic enough, or not sadistic at all.

Presenter
Applause to our guests.
Not so long ago the Houses of Parliament made a very significant decision – hunting, the traditional sport for Great Britain, is now prohibited. British foxes, deers and rabbits are lucky – they are protected by people.

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